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Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.07.07 11:01:00 - [1] Originally by: Jade Constantine When you (or people like you) come to this thread to endlessly rattle your nonsense about objectives and k/d ratios and how this or that plan isn't working blah blah blah. Ahem... Originally by: The Cosmopolite ...the Star Fraction explicitly places this campaign in the context of the Amarr-Minmatar conflict and will judge our effectiveness by developments in that conflict, where we can fairly be said to have played a role, which are contrary to the interests of the Amarrian Empire, the 24th Imperial Crusade and loyalist capsuleers taking part in the conflict. The normal and accepted means of judging the course of the militia conflicts include the occupation status of systems and accumulated battle statistics, and we shall give these their due weight in making our assessments.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.07.07 19:17:00 - [2] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 07/07/2009 19:26:47 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 07/07/2009 19:22:02 Originally by: ChipMo Originally by: Jodie Amille Indeed, we rack up kills by quivering in our station. Yes indeed. According to your database you've done nothing for the past 2 days. Before that, it was a whole 2 ships destroyed. Wow yea, really racking them up there mate. That's odd, because when I checked their database I saw a wealth of kills over the last couple of days, and the official IC statistics page lists them as having inflicted a hundred and seventy-five final blows over the last week - that's the second highest of any militia corporation on any side. I can also confirm that GDIP were a major contributor to Amarrian forces at the Battle of Taff Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.07.07 19:38:00 - [3] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake I can also confirm that GDIP were a major contributor to Amarrian forces at the Battle of Taff Probably not as major as the Northern Coalition though eh? NC managed to destroy an Amarrian dreadnought last night, which is more than the Minmatar militia managed. NC were there for their own reasons, not to help Amarr. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.07.07 19:42:00 - [4] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 07/07/2009 19:42:26 Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake I can also confirm that GDIP were a major contributor to Amarrian forces at the Battle of Taff Probably not as major as the Northern Coalition though eh? NC managed to destroy an Amarrian dreadnought last night, which is more than the Minmatar militia managed. NC were there for their own reasons, not to help Amarr. You cited gunship as major contributors - I merely point out that since the POS was destroyed by the NC rather than the Amarrians it couldn't have been that major. I said that they were a major contributor to Amarrian forces, and I stand by that. Let's put it this way - they had a larger impact on events than SF. Although now that I think about it, that's not saying much. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.07.07 19:49:00 - [5] Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 07/07/2009 19:46:40 Originally by: Rodj Blake Let's put it this way - they had a larger impact on events than SF. Although now that I think about it, that's not saying much. I disagree actually. We assassinated a leading FC in the Amarrian militia with a bravura stealth bomber hotdrop as his group fled the scene. Gunship (like the 24th Crusade) did nothing except watch NC destroy a POS and get killed in the crossfire. I actually saw your Carrier in space though Rodj - shortly before you ran like the dinner's chicken from the Minmatar at the POS prior to the NC drop of course. I also saw the 24th Crusade Revelation burning under fire from the NC forces at the POS and considered putting the boot in but it seemed a little redundant. How does one run like a dinner's chicken? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.07.07 19:53:00 - [6] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake How does one run like a dinner's chicken? Coming from an Amarrian I imagine thats an entirely rhetorical question right? No, it's an expression I've never heard before. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.12 08:16:00 - [7] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 12/08/2009 08:16:38 Originally by: Heartstone Quote: - or are you really so naive to believe that puppet corps POS at V-1 harboring your titan was still there if CVA supported the milita? Frankly yes. CVA have, since a rather fateful encounter in Low Sec not so long ago, being terrified of deploying capitals to the field away from their safety net in Providence it seems. We had rather thought our friends would have lost their POS a few times by now in all honesty which is why we have purchased replacements for them waiting to be deployed at a moments notice. It seems however that not even the cries of the their allies will stir them from their shielded castle now. The idea that CVA doesn't support the Amarr militia is frankly quite laughable. That they do not support every corp in it is certainly true but to suggest that CVA has no interest or close allies within the militia they would support as best they feel able to, without exposing themselves to too much risk of course, is idiocy. Heartstone. Or it could just be that neither the core militia corporations nor the CVA considers either a POS or a titan impotently sat in a system away from the front line to be a priority target. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.12 13:19:00 - [8] Well Heartstone, as the miltia's assualt on Taff a few weeks ago demonstrated, when a corp has the ability to actually affect the conflict we won't hesitate to attack their stationary assets. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.12 13:41:00 - [9] Originally by: Heartstone Edited by: Heartstone on 12/08/2009 13:34:31 Originally by: Rodj Blake Well Heartstone, as the miltia's assualt on Taff a few weeks ago demonstrated, when a corp has the ability to actually affect the conflict we won't hesitate to attack their stationary assets. You know Rodj if you continue to repeat the you're irrelevant line for another few years people might start believing you. The fact is we know we aren't due to comments we regularly get from the corps we chose to dec. Still can't expect anything more than standard line from you I guess. I'll change my mind and my statements once SF actually have an effect on things. Take Dark-Rising and RKK for example. Is it any coincidence that the Shakorites gained occupancy in Halmah soon after they joined, and then lost it again soon after they left? I think not. So we can say that they actually affected things. How long have SF been sat in Kamela for now without any meaningful effect on the wider conflict? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.12 14:38:00 - [10] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake Or it could just be that neither the core militia corporations nor the CVA considers either a POS or a titan impotently sat in a system away from the front line to be a priority target. More likely that the CVA is currently terrified of lowsec operations due to the large number of available naptrain capital pilots looking for a hotdrop opportunity and the 24th Crusade is incapable of initiating an anti POS operation on its own without CVA support. Unless you count instances such as the previously-mentioned Taff operation a few weeks back which had no active involvement from the CVA. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.12 14:45:00 - [11] Originally by: Jade Constantine I disagree. We have driven the entire 24th Crusade from Kamela - this fact is largely beyond challenge. Even the offices of the leading 24th Crusade corporations have gone unrented and the general price of real estate has declined sharply from its peak in the weeks after we moved in. It used to be their collective muster point - now they are forced to camp hisec and muster their fleets there. Or it could just be that the front lines have moved (as they tend to do in territorial conflicts) and that Kamela is not as good a place to base out of as it was six months or a year ago. Originally by: Jade Constantine While it is true we cannot directly impact the cause of plexing or territorial dispute between the TLF and 24th Crusade membership... In that case, you probably want to rethink your tactics, since: Originally by: The Cosmopolite ...the Star Fraction explicitly places this campaign in the context of the Amarr-Minmatar conflict and will judge our effectiveness by developments in that conflict, where we can fairly be said to have played a role, which are contrary to the interests of the Amarrian Empire, the 24th Imperial Crusade and loyalist capsuleers taking part in the conflict. The normal and accepted means of judging the course of the militia conflicts include the occupation status of systems and accumulated battle statistics, and we shall give these their due weight in making our assessments. (My emphasis) Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.12 14:55:00 - [12] Originally by: Heartstone Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake Or it could just be that neither the core militia corporations nor the CVA considers either a POS or a titan impotently sat in a system away from the front line to be a priority target. More likely that the CVA is currently terrified of lowsec operations due to the large number of available naptrain capital pilots looking for a hotdrop opportunity and the 24th Crusade is incapable of initiating an anti POS operation on its own without CVA support. Unless you count instances such as the previously-mentioned Taff operation a few weeks back which had no active involvement from the CVA. You're right Rodj what Jade should have said "the 24th Crusade is incapable of initiating a successful anti POS operation on its own without CVA support. Seeing as you didn't kill the tower someone else did. Typical of you to claim credit for someone else's actions though. Heartstone. Without the militia initiating the fight, it's very unlikely that the NC would have shown up to finish the job. If we'd have attacked the POS and the NC hadn't shown up, I'm reasonably confident that the POS would have been destroyed. Anyway, one of the objectives of the operation was to remove the POS, and at the end of the operation the POS was no longer there. So the operation can be considered to have been a success, albeit through an unconventional route. Sure, we could have stayed around to fight both of the fleets, but what would that have acheived? We'd have lost a load of ships and the end result would have been the same - one less Dark-Rising POS. I've found that in a three-way fight, it's often advantageous to leave the other two sides to slug it out. That's not to take any of the credit away from the NC - despite a lot of them being on our KOS list I'm happy to congratulate them on their efficiency in organising their fleet in the way they did. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.12 15:02:00 - [13] Originally by: Heartstone Originally by: Rodj Blake Anyway, one of the objectives of the operation was to remove the POS, and at the end of the operation the POS was no longer there. So the operation can be considered to have been a success, albeit through an unconventional route. One of the objectives of The Star Fraction is to reduce the influence of territorialistic powers on the Cluster known as New Eden. With the demise of the alliance known as Band of Brothers we claim a victory in our ongoing campaign. See how silly you sound? Heartstone. No, I don't. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.13 10:19:00 - [14] Originally by: Heartstone Originally by: Invelious And the "" was more at the fact that I can't believe how balloon headed you bunch really are, in claiming victory over BoB's demise and in the fact that you actually believe you can change the sov's of 0.0. Invelious take a deep breath and re-read what was written. My point was that the defeat of BoB was in no way a victory for us. Much like the destruction of the DARK POS by NC forces was no victory for the Amarr Militia. The whole basis of my argument was that claiming the third party victory as your own is foolish and used a ridiculous example of the way in which The Star Fraction could make claims if Rodj's parameters for declaring a victory were accepted i.e. that by his logic we can happily claim to have defeated BoB. As anyone with a half functioning brain can see we did not defeat BoB and as an extension of this exploration into the logic of Rodj's claims the Amarr Militia cannot claim responsibility for the destruction of DARK's POS. Heartstone. A story: A lumberjack walks into a forest with the intention of cutting down a tree. He takes his axe, and has chopped about half-way through a tree when a storm blows up. He leaves the area. While he is away, the storm blows down a single tree - the one the lumberjack had started to fell. The other trees survived because they had not been damaged by an axe. Now, what caused the tree to fall - was it the lumberjack or was it the storm? We could argue back and forth for ages, but the truth is that the lumberjack isn't bothered - he has his lumber. Of course, the discussion of whether it was the NC or the militia that destroyed the Dark-Rising POS is missing the point somewhat. Let's leave the story and rewind a bit. Jade claimed that the militia lacked the ability to initiate an attack on a POS. I pointed out that the militia had done just that very recently. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.13 11:20:00 - [15] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 13/08/2009 11:22:28 Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake Jade claimed that the militia lacked the ability to initiate an attack on a POS. I pointed out that the militia had done just that very recently. Initiating is not the same as completing an attack (though good work on your delicate evasions). I do not believe the 24th Crusade has the ability to destroy a POS without significant outside help (CVA or NC or whoever). None of which alters ther fact that you claimed that the militia was incapable of initiating a POS attack. Quote: But its pointless discussing such things in the hypothetical. Either you do or you don't. TIme will tell from actions in space. This line of discussion began because you tried to claim that a particular POS is not an operational priority for your organization. From your perspective its certainly less damaging for your morale to claim that than admit the truth on a public channel that its beyond your current capabilities so I trust everyone can see why you have to say what you said regardless of the reality behind the words. If we were scared of launching an attack on an SF POS, would it not also follow that we were also scared of launching an attack on a POS owned by a better organised group such as Dark-Rising? The fact is that it took more effort to arrange the attack on Taff than it would have done to attack the Kamela POS, so it surely follows that fear or inability are not the reasons we've let it sit there? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.13 11:54:00 - [16] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 13/08/2009 11:55:49 Originally by: Jade Constantine I'm not convinced. But really why would I be? Time has shown our personalities quite distinctly different Blake. You think to argue and debate and persuade and connive and wheedle on IGS threads to convince your enemies that the sky is black and the sea is lime green. I prefer to demonstrate that my enemies are losing by actually destroying them in space. How many times is it over the last six years that you've declared war on PIE? I lost count a while back. And you've still not managed to destroy us. You've not even managed to divert us from any of our tasks. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.13 11:55:00 - [17] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 13/08/2009 11:51:24 Originally by: Jade Constantine I don't care what your reasons are for not attacking it. If you can't destroy it thats good enough for me. * The Cosmopolite chuckles... One is immediately reminded of the lumberjack tale. The variant here is that the lumberjack is apparently disinclined to even attempt to chop down a particular tree. The lumberjack tells himself and his drinking cronies that he doesn't want the lumber from that particular tree. Others wonder if the real reason is that the lumberjack isn't strong enough to fell this tree on his own. The question is an open one. The tree, meanwhile, insofar as such a thing can be said of a tree, remains content to drink in the sunshine and extend its roots in the surrounding soil. To take things further, the lumberjack then goes and chops down a larger tree. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.13 12:19:00 - [18] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 13/08/2009 12:22:35 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 13/08/2009 12:20:37 Originally by: Jade Constantine Next major engagement was when PIE declared war on SF to try to prevent us destroying the Kimotoro Directive alliance in Mito. That didn't work out so well for you. We were there for live-fire exercises. It's odd that you forgot to mention your allies in the Black Rabbits during that campaign. And after you'd falsely admonished me for not giving NC any credit as well! Quote: Then we returned the favour during Operation(s) Daisy Cutter, Judas Goat and Slaughterhouse where we saw fleets of up to 20 PIE battleships contending with SF vessels in the core Amarrian space. Ultimately you were reduced in size and stature and forced to run off to Providence to re-arm before the Emperors's Celebrations in Amarr where we again crushed your fleet in the full view of public spectacle. On the contrary, our pilot roster before that series of wars was about the same size as after it. Wasn't it towards the end of that period that we humiliated SF by escorting one of the most important men in the Empire through your blockade? Forced to run off to Providence? My recollection is that we took part in a long planned campaign down there to remove the Ushra'Khan from their outpost. As I said earlier, you have a pretty dismal record of diverting us from our objectives Quote: Since then you are evidently and obviously diminished. And where once you could present a significant thread in battleship grade vessels to an armed Star Fraction patrol these days - not so much. We are wardecced against you and two other 24th Crusade corporations at the moment - reality is that you alone are no longer a significant challenge. Diminished in what way exactly? I'm pretty sure that our membership now is higher than it was when the Shakorites first attacked the Empire, and significantly higher than it was during the earlier campaigns. Quote: I think even in your most florid self-delusion you'd have to admit that your military capability is diminished no? A couple of punishers, the odd Crusader class interceptor and if we're really lucky a Maller class cruiser hardly represents a corporation that hasn't been comprehensively routed and kicked up and down the spacelanes by its enemies over the years. Not at all. Our membership level is higher than our historical average, and when we fly smaller ships it's because they're the best ships for the task at hand. We'll happily deploy larger vessels when the situation warrants it. We had multiple battleships and capital ships involved in the Taff operation, for example. If using T2 frigates is a sign of diminsihed capability, then what does that say about SF's stealth bomber patrols? Quote: PIE is nothing to be proud of in its current state Rodj. It really isn't and I'm actually a little bit sorry for you if you think it is. And yet, you still can't divert us from our priorities, and you still fail to have any significant impact on us. What does that say about you, exactly? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.13 12:42:00 - [19] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 13/08/2009 12:43:19 Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake And yet, you still can't divert us from our priorities, and you still fail to have any significant impact on us. What does that say about you, exactly? There is a very very old saying in Federation intelligence that seems somehow appropriate ôNever interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistakeö... If you believe that your organizational focus is best suited to fielding groups of 2-3 Punisher frigates and running away from any significant enemy ships then thats your choice. If you are happy with the current state of play then good for you. Means we're both happy. In a war this is close to unprecedented but lets leave it at that. For what it's worth, I am quite happy with the way things are going. The Empire occupies two Minmatar systems, and the Shakorites do not occupy any Amarrian systems. PIE is also regularly on the list of best performing militia corporations. Since even The Cosmopolite will agree with me when I say that the normal and accepted means of judging the course of the militia conflicts include the occupation status of systems and accumulated battle statistics, we must be doing something right. On top of that we still find the time and resources for the occasional operation outside of the formal Amarr/Minmatar warzone. There's still a lot to do, and I won't be satisfied until we have acheived final victory, but we're making steady progress. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.13 14:34:00 - [20] The Star Fraction is of course welcome to set its own objectives as it sees fit and have their success or lack thereof judged according to generally accepted metrics. Similarly, PIE has always acted in accordance with its objectives and will continue to do so. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2009.08.13 14:55:00 - [21] Originally by: Jade Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake The Star Fraction is of course welcome to set its own objectives as it sees fit and have their success judged according to generally accepted metrics. And PIE is of course welcome to bluster and waffle on other organization's threads while running ineffectual frigate gangs. Some things never change But apparently we're not so ineffectual that you feel that you can drop your war against us! Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.

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